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Red Pill Black vs Tree Of Logic – The Alt Right’s Black Catfight

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The Alt Right has largely advertised itself as a pro white, pro western, and anti feminist movement. The fact that a movement such as this has multiple black female youtubers on their side, some with hundreds of thousands of subscribers will come as a shock to many, but today it seems they have one too many, and two of the most popular black female Alt Right youtubers are now battling it out online.

In the red corner we have Red Pill Black. Red Pill Black is relatively new to the movement but has already started making waves. She’s been on Dave Rubin’s show, and has been interviewed by further right figures like Paul Joseph Watson and Alex Jones of Infowars, conservative shock jock Steven Crowder, and ‘race realist’ youtuber Stefan Molyneux.  She’s made videos mocking Black Lives Matter, accusing Democrats of trying to keep black people poor and marginalized so they’ll continue voting for Democrats, and argued that black people are a bigger threat to each other than white supremacists due to high rates of black on black crime. She thinks coming out as a conservative black woman is more difficult than coming out as lgbt, and mocks the left’s feminist outrage over Trump’s comments about women while supporting Hillary Clinton, a woman who supporterd her husband and shamed his victims when he was accused of sexual harassment and rape by many of his former female employees, however; a couple years ago she was on the left, and even started an anti-bullying website called “Social Autopsy” which we’ll get into more in a minute.

In the white corner we have Tree of Logic. She’s been making videos for a couple years and has tens of thousands of followers, but fewer than Red Pill Black. She’s spoken with alt right media outlet Red Ice TV and done videos with Nazi sympathizer Rage After Storm, American Rennaissance founder Jared Taylor, and ethnonationalist youtuber Blonde in the Belly of the Beast.  She sometimes wears a “white lives matter” shirt, has called for strict limits on immigration to keep white majority countries majority white and maintain their unique cultures, and is an outspoken ‘race realist’ who believes each race has fundamental biological differences that affect their average intelligence, physical ability, and behavior. She’s produced more content than Red Pill Black, and many of her videos are longer and go into more depth than Red Pill Black’s videos so far. Many of the people she’s had on her show and been interviewed by are deeper into the alt right than most of the people Red Pill Black has spoken to so far. Tree of Logic is also a former police officer who spent much of her career locking up dangerous people (many of whom were also black, which may have affected her views on race), and she says her instincts as a police officer led her to investigate Red Pill Black.

At first it may seem like the two have quite a bit in common. They both believe black on black crime is a bigger problem for black people than police violence against blacks (and there are valid arguments on both sides of that debate), they both think that Democrats try to keep black people marginalized so they’ll keep voting for Democrats who claim to want to help poor people and minorities, and they’re both rarities in that they’re black women who give a voice to the alt right, though Tree of Logic appears to be further to the right and has fleshed out her views far more through her work while Red Pill Black has become more popular more quickly with humorous videos and better editing. Perhaps this is part of the reason for their conflict – maybe Tree of Logic is attacking Red Pill Black to defend the small amount of territory available to pro white, anti feminist black women in the Alt Right, or perhaps she’s jealous of Red Pill Black’s success. But perhaps we should still hear her out and see what evidence she has.

Red Pill Black, also known as Candace Owens, once ran a doxing website known as Social Autopsy. The site was created to allow people to anonymously post screenshots and other evidence of people saying offensive things, and to allow people to search for people they know in order to look up what sort of offensive things they’ve said. The site even aims to help people find the accused’s employers so that people who’ve been verbally harassed by them can notify their employers and try to get them fired. For someone trying to build an audience among the Alt Right and Alt-Lite, movements full of people who routinely say things that many people find offensive, a site like this seems like something their community ought to be wary of. And yet, as Tree of Logic points out in her videos about Red Pill Black, none of the right wing and anti-sjw media personalities who’ve interviewed Red Pill Black have pushed her to go into detail about Social Autopsy, which she describes as an “anti-bullying initiative” in her interviews.

When Candace Owens started Social Autopsy, she had not yet made her transformation into a right wing e-celeb, and was initially promoting the site to people in the social justice movement as a way to identify bullies and prejudiced people and make them answer for the things they’ve said and done. But many people in the social justice movement opposed her website, and she got into fights with quite a few of them on social media. Among the criticisms leveled against the site (by both social justice advocates and Tree of Logic) are privacy concerns and the lack of any clear way to prevent fraudulent claims from appearing on the site. What Red Pill Black sees as an anti-bullying and anti-harassment tool could be used to harass and bully innocent people by posting fake hate speech claims and using the site to get them fired. This brought her criticism from the likes of Zoe Quinn (of Gamergate fame). After the sjw community helped get her kickstarter page taken down, Candace went underground for a while before re-emerging as a conservative and rebranding herself as Red Pill Black. She still ran Social Autopsy, but downplayed its importance in her interviews with conservatives.

Once Tree of Logic exposed her connection to the site, many others in the Alt Right and Alt Lite picked up on the story, and, in response to their criticism and arguments on social media, she initially hid certain pages on the site that identified he, before finally taking the site down. She hasn’t responded to the attacks against her on her YouTube channel, but after altright.com editor and white nationalist, Richard Spencer, attacked her on Twitter and made a video about her, she posted a video on Facebook claiming that the attacks against her were orchestrated by people on the left spreading a false rumor that she was running a website targeting conservatives, however; she has yet to fully address the claims and evidence Tree of Logic has brought against her, and even though she appears to have taken down socialautopsy.com, she has yet to fully disavow the site and the ideas that led her to start it.

It should be noted that people on both the left and right have used doxing tactics against their opponents. Anonymous has doxed everyone from police officers to KKK members, and even to people working for Correct the Record, an organization that campaigned for Hillary Clinton. Some Gamergaters doxed and harassed Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian, and even Felicia Day (who had very little to do with the controversy), while left wing activists have doxed people for attending right wing rallies and marches, succeeded in getting some of them fired from their jobs for the political beliefs they hold. It’s an internet era tactic that will likely be used again by people of many political persuasions against their enemies. Even with the demise of socialautopsy.com, there may come a day when another site like it is created, whether to dox people who bully and harass each other online, or to dox people for holding certain political views. People on the left may be looking for a site like this to target white nationalists, anti-feminists, and others with opinions they find offensive, while people on the right may see the usefulness of a site that documents the offensive speech of people on the left to prove that everyone has offensive opinions, and to show the hypocrisy of their opponents. There’s also the real risk that such a site may be used to target innocent people, as has happened before after the Boston Marathon when multiple incorrect suspects were identified by online sleuths, leading one wrongly identified man to commit suicide as a result of depression from the harassment he received.

Should a site like socialautopsy.com be morally off limits? Is it a common threat to our wellbeing (and possibly survival) that we should all be wary of, or is it merely a weapon, a tool that every side will attempt to use against their enemies and that each team should want on their side? If Red Pill Black had put the site in the alt right’s hands, would it have been used to destroy the careers of far left activists who opposed them, or to discredit leftists who sometimes say offensive or controversial things in private while virtue signaling in public? Or would it have been used against people further right than her who expressed racist or sexist views? Or used to target people who engage in hostile tactics online, and make online debate more civil and idea-oriented? Was Tree of Logic right to sound the alarm against a threat to Alt Right community, and were people like Zoe Quinn also right to sound the alarm when Red Pill Black first launched the site? What does it say about each side when both the far left and far right came out against her, while relatively centrist voices like Dave Rubin chose not to push her or criticize her, especially when Rubin and others like him often complain about social justice warriors using these types of tactics? Perhaps her relatively simple, funny videos made it easy for her Alt Lite and Alt Right fans to see what they wanted to see in her, and they didn’t want to look too deep. But it’s also surprising that the further right members of the Alt Right, who often subscribe to a more brutal view of human existence and group competition, were far more wary Social Autopsy than the relatively milder Alt Lite figures who latched on to Red Pill Black and propelled her to her current level of fame and success.

Time will tell how this plays out, but it does appear that there was far more to Tree of Logic’s criticism of Red Pill Black than just jealousy or an attempt to hold on to her spot as the Alt Right’s pet black female youtuber. Her criticisms about the risks Social Autopsy posed, and about Red Pill Black’s unwillingness to admit that the site was a mistake and move on, are valid and shared by people of many different political persuasions. Maybe Red Pill Black will be able to spin these criticisms away, or find a way to relaunch the site that serves the right’s interests. Maybe Tree of Logic will succeed in destroying her reputation and knocking her down from her newfound place among the New Right’s social media figureheads now that she’s pressured Red Pill Black into taking her site down. Maybe Red Pill Black will need to look elsewhere for an audience, having been run out of both the far left and far right. As of right now, all we know is that the most interesting drama coming out of the white nationalist, anti feminist movement right now is coming from two black women who hoped to be its spokespeople.

2 comments on “Red Pill Black vs Tree Of Logic – The Alt Right’s Black Catfight

  1. hmmm they are just conservatives/classic liberals, not “alt-right”. This ain’t Richard Spencer. Dumb title, trying to get clicks.

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  2. Depends on how you define alt right. If you consider people like Alex Jones and Stefan Molyneux to be alt right, then these two are alt right.

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